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Random Philosophical Discussion
« on: August 18, 2009, 01:41:32 PM »
Ok so its simple. One person heads off a subject and everyone makes arguments for their point of view. When the issue is resolved by agreement, or an impass (agree to disagree), anyone can start a new query.

Rules: -Don't change the subject until the current topic is resolved.
           -No flaming because you disagree with somebody.
           -Don't make unsupported statements like saying "You wrong" and not
            presenting any evidence.

I'll head it off with a nice broad one like say: The Meaning of Life

I was raised by hippies. My parents taught me from birth that the purpose of life is to help create peace in the world. However, I have since recognized in myself and others a certain innate desire for violence and conflict and I doubt even one person would be satisfied in a peaceful world. Furthermore, if the world was eternally peaceful, would all life stop. While I suppose we do refer to a corpse as being "at peace", I find this unlikely. Thus there must be some other meaning to life since if it where to bring peace, life would have no meaning in a peaceful world.

However, have no idea what said purpose is so here's my query. What do you believe is life's purpose and how do you support your beleifs logically. Lets here 'em.  :-X
« Last Edit: August 25, 2009, 07:28:25 PM by Fredgerd »
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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2009, 10:18:07 PM »
i believe life's purpose is to live it and not to question what this purpose is for any particular person as the initial question is attempting to ask ;)

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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2009, 12:40:41 PM »
I have to agree. There is no meaning but all you can do is live life or die in life. Depending on your religion it could be different things like punishment for sins.

But this is not a good question cause technically your asking people who don't have the answer but think they know the answer. Even if there is a creator, as we all know, sometimes we do things without reason. So even he would technically know the answer.

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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #3 on: August 25, 2009, 07:17:31 PM »
The meaning to life is simply to live and procreate.

 Some like myself will also believe that our live is to glorify God, to do as it is simply instructed by the bible, to also remember that we are human and bound to make mistakes/sin, but if we live our life to glorify God then some like myself believe in an eternal life after death in what some like myself would call Heaven.

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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2009, 07:23:47 PM »
The meaning of life is to figure out the meaning of life.

I WIN.

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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2009, 07:27:02 PM »
i believe life's purpose is to live it and not to question what this purpose is for any particular person as the initial question is attempting to ask ;)
I have to agree. There is no meaning but all you can do is live life or die in life. Depending on your religion it could be different things like punishment for sins.

But this is not a good question cause technically your asking people who don't have the answer but think they know the answer. Even if there is a creator, as we all know, sometimes we do things without reason. So even he would technically know the answer.

 :-*
The meaning to life is simply to live and procreate.

 Some like myself will also believe that our live is to glorify God, to do as it is simply instructed by the bible, to also remember that we are human and bound to make mistakes/sin, but if we live our life to glorify God then some like myself believe in an eternal life after death in what some like myself would call Heaven.
The meaning of life is to figure out the meaning of life.

I WIN.

Supporting arguments??? Stating "I beleive" proves nothing on it's own. If you want to make a point make an argument.
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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2009, 07:31:38 PM »
Just so you know, Mine was a joke on how pointless it is too figure out the meaning of life, as life means something different to everyone.

There is no Universal awnser.

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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2009, 10:28:28 PM »
People have said that about many things which are now so thoroughly evidenced that we take them for granted.

Besides that, if you can discern no meaning in life then there are no morals, no goals, nothing. You may as well curl up and die because there is no reason not to (note I am not encouraging you to do this, I am just pointing out the flaws of your argument).
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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2009, 11:07:05 PM »
The "What is the meaning of life" is ultimately an unanswerable. At most you will get half baked theories dependent upon they way people are raised, their social/economic status, their religion, or any number of conditions in life that can affect the outlook of ones purpose in life. In order to answer "What is the meaning of life?" one would have to have a few other answers such as " Is there a god?", "Which 'god' is the real god?" etc. I used religion/ (is there a god) as my example because a majority of the earths population believes in some form of religion, thus giving them their "purpose" in life, and meaning to their existence. But if there is no god, it takes the question of "What is the meaning of life" to a new point. As if there is no god, then we are a series of random chance occurrences that lead to our existence, meaning that there literally is no meaning to life. The reason people don't just curl up and die (and some actually do) is that society, religion and fear of unknown has caused people to search for a meaning in an otherwise meaningless existence. I haven't the answer, and won't even try to come up with one, because this would potentially venture off the beaten path into another philosophical debate, and as there should be one on the table at time, I am not really sure how we are even going to come to a consensus long enough to make a resolution on this particular subject, and it was really at an impasse long before it was posed as a question here. Sorry this ran off as long as it did, but I close with this, each and everyone has to apply some sort of meaning to their own lives, whether it is to set up the best possible life for their offspring, to striving to obtain as much knowledge as they can, to be rich and wealthy, to find love, to glorify their god in hopes for a pleasant eternity, etc.

Also, if I have to go with a concrete answer, I answer 42, mainly because "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy was a good book.


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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2009, 11:23:09 PM »
People have said that about many things which are now so thoroughly evidenced that we take them for granted.

Besides that, if you can discern no meaning in life then there are no morals, no goals, nothing. You may as well curl up and die because there is no reason not to (note I am not encouraging you to do this, I am just pointing out the flaws of your argument).

I didn't say that.

What I said was. Life means something different to other people.

I.E. I believe my life's purpose is to be kind to others and Have children Etc.

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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2009, 12:03:28 AM »
I think we should skip this topic.
You can't answer a question that you don't have the answer too.

What your are answering is what does life mean to you not answering what is the meaning of life.

So all your answers are incorrect.  :-*

Next topic.


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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #11 on: August 26, 2009, 12:42:50 AM »

However, have no idea what said purpose is so here's my query. What do you believe is life's purpose and how do you support your beleifs logically. Lets here 'em.  :-X
My apologies for my earlier rant, as I overlooked a key note of what the topic of discussion actually was about.

I think we should skip this topic.
You can't answer a question that you don't have the answer too.

What your are answering is what does life mean to you not answering what is the meaning of life.

So all your answers are incorrect.  :-*

Next topic.

If you were to read the original post again (I have quoted the actual question posed)...It looks like we all were mistaken in what the actual question was to begin with...


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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2009, 08:25:33 AM »
It is true you guys misunderstood. Not the question so much as the rules. I'm not suggesting anyone can prove it. If you could with our current knowlege base, someone smarter than us would have figured it out. I just want you guys to support your beliefs with logical arguments rather than just saying "I believe."

Oh and apologies to Whiplash for misinterpreting your sentence.
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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2009, 09:14:11 AM »
No worries.

However, I'm still gonna have to go with creating more people, it's basiclly the only thing everyone on this planet can do, so, yeah.

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Re: Random Philosophical Discussion
« Reply #14 on: August 26, 2009, 09:16:03 AM »
It is true you guys misunderstood. Not the question so much as the rules. I'm not suggesting anyone can prove it. If you could with our current knowlege base, someone smarter than us would have figured it out. I just want you guys to support your beliefs with logical arguments rather than just saying "I believe."

Oh and apologies to Whiplash for misinterpreting your sentence.

Yes freddy is correct. Saying I believe doesn't state that its an actual fact.  8)

No worries.

However, I'm still gonna have to go with creating more people, it's basiclly the only thing everyone on this planet can do, so, yeah.
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