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The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« on: June 10, 2009, 02:55:46 PM »
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While picking producer Todd Black's brain about "The Taking of Pelham 1 2 3," I asked a few questions about the upcoming "Spider-Man 4." Black was understandably cryptic, but here's what I did learn:

- Kirsten Dunst is definitely on board. Last month, director Sam Raimi was quoted as saying he didn't know if the actor was going to sign up to play Mary Jane again, but it appears that she has.

- Contrary to online rumors, it doesn't look like the script will feature a wedding between Mary Jane and Peter Parker. Black had no knowledge of that subplot.

- Also contrary to online rumors (but really, are there any other kind?), the villain will not be Morbius the vampire. Sure, vampires are hot, but Black squashed that rumor completely.

- As for who the villain will be, Black had this to say: "We're just coming up with who the villain's going to be now. We'll be shooting in New York again. Trust me, people will appreciate who we pick, because it'll be a big part of New York."

So who could it be? What Spidey villain has ties to New York City? Let's speculate after the jump.

Black also confirmed that the villain will be one of Spidey's foes from the comic, not a character invented for the film. And we can assume it'll be one of the hero's classic rogues. Just four movies in, the producers won't be resorting to B-listers. So with the help of this list, I have two guesses. And again, the key is that the villain has a more specific tie to New York City than just living there. That narrows the list considerably.

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1. Kraven the Hunter. He's a former big-game hunter who captured and tormented Spider-Man in a famously dark story from the 1980s. But as far as his ties to New York? Not particularly strong, beyond being positioned as a man out of place, because he's a big-game hunter in an urban area.

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2. That leaves the best guess: the Kingpin. He's the leader of organized crime in Gotham, and is about as New Yorky as a villain can get. The character already appeared in Fox's "Daredevil" a few years back, and it's unclear if that studio still owns the rights. But if Sony has worked out a deal, it seems Kingpin would be a solid choice.

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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 05:34:39 PM »
they are definetally setting up for the lizard, but id prefer scorpion, hes been one of my favs for a long time, and his storyline is very unique. add in shocker, and rhino as sub villians and black cat to team with him and voila, that would be amazing.
make a venom movie afterwards under the guise of the seperation anxiety with the other symbiots and venom kills them with a trail ending into carnage, then spiderman 5 spiderman venom and black cat against carnage like maximum carnage, who would probably team up with lizard storyline, that would be amazing.

....ok i know for a fact thats not going to happen cause thats just "too out there for a spiderman story, we need a lame damzel in distress crap again, you know like we did for THE FIRST 3 SPIDERMAN MOVIES!!!!"

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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2009, 09:16:14 AM »
i wrote out an outline of what i wanted to see in the next 2 (yes there will be 2 spidey movies) someplace. I'll try and find it at some point.

there was no MJ in distress, many of the characters you mentioned were involved in some capacity (many minor), and led into the 5th perfectly movie that was symbiote oriented :)

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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2009, 02:38:21 PM »
So I could not find the outline, so I'll try and do a synopsis of what I thought would make a good Spiderman 4 movie. Sorry if its not in proper sequence and a little rough as going strictly off memory.

We start out with MJ and Pete living together, he's still doing the Daily Bugle/Spiderman thing as well as working a little with Dr. Connors, and her acting career has steadily improved. They've become couples friends with Betty Brant (Elizabeth Banks wanted and bigger role so thats why I thought of this angle) and her boyfriend Mac Gargan who is a PI.

But when alone together, there is friction due to MJ thinking Pete's Spiderman time comes first (and during that time he's often foiled Kingpin's plans). Ironically, around this same time she gets a major acting offer, but requires her to move to LA. They fight some more, and Spidey decides to go out on rounds, where he comes across a cat burgler, BlackCat, who was ripping off Kingpen at the time.

There is a connection and flirting, ending with her getting away (or did Pete let her get away) He comes home late, MJ's in bed. He thinks she is asleep, but she's not with a tear in her eye. The next morning she says that she is going to LA.

J Jonah Jameson has hired Mac Gargan to trail Pete because he wonders how he gets all those Spidey pics. Sometimes Pete sees him, sometimes he doesn't.

Kingpin has become fed up with Spidey foiling his plans and BlackCat ripping him off, so he forces Dr. Connors to do some work to help create various super criminals for him. So now we see a montage (since you know Sam Raimi likes his little montage scenes in his Spider movies) of Spidey beating various bad guys (insert whoever here, for example Rhino, Shocker, Vulture, etc) During this montage, more flirting and escapes by BlackCat, until a truce is formed between the two and they work together (which is after the montage) But Dr. Connor's has his own agenda with this work as he's working with lizard DNA.

During a trailing session, Kingpin's goons capture Mac Gargan who was snooping around the Connors lab, and they were out of subjects for villains, so Scorpion is attempted. Fight happens, Scorpion is subdued, and an accident happens with one of Connor's experiments and the Lizard is born, who has this urge to kill Kingpin.

Kingpin's had enough, now that he has to deal with the Lizard on top of Spidey and BlackCat. So he hires Kraven the Hunter.

The rest of the movie contains fights between all of them (Spidey not wanting to hurt Connors when they go at it), more flirtation with BlackCat, and a few shots of MJ missing Pete and vice versa.

Final fight scene of the movie happens back at the main Connor's Lab. Spidey and BlackCat win, Connors is returned to normal, but the symbiote that was kept there escapes infecting Mac Gargan and a criminal that never got the villain treatment before, Cletus Kassidy, setting up them two to be in the next movie.

Last scenes, BlackCat makes another move, Pete declines saying still in love with MJ, who soon shows up saying she missed him and asks him to marry her.

Yea, like I said, a little rough since going straight off memory from something before, but you get the main idea.


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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2009, 09:02:25 PM »
My thoughts?? You need to write for a living  :-\

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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2009, 06:31:01 AM »
Well, thats missing some elements, but you get the jist of what i was going for.

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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2009, 05:51:12 PM »
My thoughts?? You need to write for a living  :-\
I agree. Volzzilla just reminds me of a reporter for the Daily Bugle or something. You got some talent V. About this movie though, I'm sorry, but if it's like the other three, I'll go spend my money on watching A Walk To Remember instead. I was completely dissapointed by the previous three. How and why would you take a cool story like the one from the Spider-Man comic books, and turn into some dumb high school/college drama love story, with about three minutes of fighting total in each movie. Peter Parker only dates Mary Jane for a little bit in the comics, then moves on to other girls. Green Goblin eventually throws her off of Brooklyn Bridge and kills her too. It just really bugs me how the movie industry will make all these comic book movies, but name one that actually follows the original story. The only good comic book movies I've seen are the new Batman's, and the Ironman movie. I don't see why they have to rewrite all the stories for little kids, when we were the little kids that grew up on that stuff, not my seven year old nephew that likes all the characters only as long as the movie sells toys at McDonald's for. At least the Watchmen movie got it right, and I thought it was amazing. Alright, I'm done venting. I guess you all know that I'm not going to see this, and I guess that was the only point I was originally trying to make. Let me know what you guys think though.




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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2009, 08:23:23 AM »
Well, don't forget, movie writers have a limited window to pack whatever into their medium to tell the story. Unfortunately some of them then decide to make things up as part of the vehicle to that end and the studios apparently do not care as much as they should.

For instance, in my little bit I wrote (which needs massive refinement) I had Mac Gargan transformed into the Scorpion by Kingpin and Connors, where as it was JJ that did it in the comics. I did this because helped tell the story I wanted to share a little better.

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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2009, 09:46:56 AM »
I agree. Volzzilla just reminds me of a reporter for the Daily Bugle or something. You got some talent V. About this movie though, I'm sorry, but if it's like the other three, I'll go spend my money on watching A Walk To Remember instead. I was completely dissapointed by the previous three. How and why would you take a cool story like the one from the Spider-Man comic books, and turn into some dumb high school/college drama love story, with about three minutes of fighting total in each movie. Peter Parker only dates Mary Jane for a little bit in the comics, then moves on to other girls. Green Goblin eventually throws her off of Brooklyn Bridge and kills her too. It just really bugs me how the movie industry will make all these comic book movies, but name one that actually follows the original story. The only good comic book movies I've seen are the new Batman's, and the Ironman movie. I don't see why they have to rewrite all the stories for little kids, when we were the little kids that grew up on that stuff, not my seven year old nephew that likes all the characters only as long as the movie sells toys at McDonald's for. At least the Watchmen movie got it right, and I thought it was amazing. Alright, I'm done venting. I guess you all know that I'm not going to see this, and I guess that was the only point I was originally trying to make. Let me know what you guys think though.

I'll point out that batman doesn't follow the story either. The reason it's still a great film is that it's dark and has some deep philosophical ideas explored as well as great action seens (having great actors like heath ledger and liam nieson doesn't hurt either). Following the storyline is nice but I feel it comes second to making a good film.

However, I agree with you that the spidey films were terrible. This is how I feel about  the spidey films inividually.

I: overall a solid film but by no means one of the greatest action films of all time. still, it was passible, the goblin was cool and the origen story was pretty good.

II: This movie kindov just sucked. straight  up I have to say I think Doc Oc is a lousy villain. also the whole loss of confidence subplot was just plain weak.

III: honestly this one had some potential not to completely suck. but it still did. While the villains where pretty cool, spidey is a deuche and the subplot is attrocious. the sene where he goes prancing down the street just plain killed the movie as a standalone. Also, they killed venom which was just unacceptable. I would have liked to see him in the nex film as opposed to just at the end of III.
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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2009, 10:17:39 AM »
I think part 2 blew away part 3. Doc ock is a quintessential Spidey Villian, and visually stunning.

Venom is overhyped, overated, and Zero dimensional. While Sandman looked great the Story was bogged down by Venom, plus Sandman just isn't much of a villian. His character has gone back forth from being slightly bad to slightly good. Its just hard to make a movie with a character like that.



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Re: The official Spider-Man 4 thread
« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2009, 05:36:16 PM »
i liked all three, just some more than others. the main bit that bugged me though was how MJ was in trouble every single time. thats why in my draft, this wasn't the case at all.

sometime i'll flesh it out a little more, as i can already spot some things i missed.